1982 BMW 323i Baur

1982 BMW 323i Baur
Memorial Day 2010 First Drive 1982 323i BMW Baur Lapisblau M20 5 speed #4154 of 4595 made. The car was imported to California by Dietel Enterprises. I have since changed the wheels, installed the clear turn signal lenses, and I am in the process of installing a new cabriolet roof. I have to do something about those bumpers, too. :) I love this car! To see one of the reasons why, check my post "Score One For the Good Guys" on 6/26/2011.

Sunday, July 31, 2011

New Link: Power to The Baur!

I recently came across a new link dedicated to Baurs:


I have added it to the sidebar.

Check it out.

Wednesday, July 27, 2011

Baur TC1 in the US: Interim Status Report

This is a link to a spreadsheet of what we have gathered so far in our effort to identify and locate every Baur TC1 in the United States at this time.  Please consider that it is not yet complete.  It is an interim report, and the information is still coming in.  It is divided into sections:
1) Known Baur Numbers;
2) Known Baur Numbers, Unfound Baurs;
3) Known Baurs, Unknown Baur Numbers;
4) Unknown Baur Numbers, Unconfirmed Reports.

I have further added a column for known locations and, if unknown, last reported location; whether the Baur is a previously known Baur, or a new discovery; and whether it is listed on the International Baur Registry (Stephan)
and Jeroen's original list of 33 US Baurs (from Baur TC1 in the US Thread in bimmerforums). 
Jeroen also provided a listing of 25 Baurs that were documented as going to Canada (mainly), and the US.  Any cars appearing on that list are also noted (one).
(E21 Bimmerforms "Baur TC1s in th US thread;  Post 74, page 3)
This turned out to be a fairly complicated task, and I apologize for any errors in advance, as I am sure there are omissions and errors.  I wanted to get this out, and I will continue to update it as more information is received. 

I do wish to take a moment express my profound gratitude to the numerous members who have contributed to this compilation, and I hope I have at least begun to do justice to your contributions.  This has been a long time coming, and we are not nearly done.

Damn the torpedoes!  Full steam/speed ahead!

Sunday, July 17, 2011

Vintage at Saratoga....Three New Baurs!

Afonso, owner of Baur #A000048, attended the Vintage at Saratoga yesterday. He did not bring his Baur, but he did meet Lawrence Charlemagne, who has been mentioned a number of times in here as a NY Baur owner. He also met a new E21 Baur owner, George K. of Saratoga, NY. George has just completely restored a beautiful Baur, and he also has a Baur parts car. I have now spoken to Afonso, Lawrence and George, and I will be posting a lot of information that I learned from them in the next few days. I was hoping to do that today, but I had relatives visiting all afternoon, and I was unable to get to it. I have lots of pics of George's Baur, as well as many pics that he sent me from the Vintage show.... And Lawrence's beautiful 2002 appears in a couple of them. I haven't yet mastered the technique of uploading pics from the iPad to the forum, so I will have to do it from my work PC.

Lawrence informs me that his Baur number is A000872-05. He has owned it for about 20 years, and he has restored it. It now has an E30 M20 5speed in it.

George K.'s Baur number for the restored car 1979 323i is A000635, and the parts car is a 320/6 and he thought it was 000685, but he wasn't exactly sure. We will check back on that one.

So stay tuned .... More to come!

Many thanks to Afonso, who wins the BAURHUNTER OF THE WEEK!! award for helping make these contacts! Nice work, Afonso!

Thanks also to Lance, VP of the CT Valley Chapter, who also helped pass along the info about us to George. Thanks, Lance!

UPDATE: I just checked the international Baur Registry. None of those three Baurs numbers mentioned above are listed yet!!!

So it appears that we have Three New Previously Unknown Baurs to add to our list! A cause to celebrate! Thanks again to all!

Thursday, July 14, 2011

Alpha and Omega: The First and Last Baurs

I thought it might be interesting to post the pics we have of the First E21 Baur built, along with pics of the Last E21 Baur built. The Alpha and the Omega, so to speak.

See also our new post :

Pics from Stephan's International Baur Registry website:

This is the final E21 Baur TC1 built.  According to Jeroen, the owner of this Baur also owns the First Baur built.

This is the First E21 Baur built, recently restored, from the Italian E21 fan club website.

The First E21 Baur:

E21 Paint Color Choices

Ask and ye shall receive....... you are gonna love this site!

Just click on a color and .... Voila! the car changes! F****** Brilliant!

Thank me later. Enjoy.
N.B.  the site has been recently updated.  Here is the main link:


Metallic colors are there also... click on metallic farben.

You can also find the colors by production year on this site.

I will track down the actual paint codes when I get a little more time.

Here's fun site:


Wednesday, July 13, 2011

Four Door E21 ....... Huh??!!!

This is from the Italian E21 fan club link below.   OK, Ok, it is only hypothetical.

What?    A four door E21??



Hypothesis four-door version

In spite of rather generous size for the time, the car body of the E21 3 Series interior is not offered a spacious rear seat for passengers, which above all had to deal with accessibility rather difficult. A four-door body would solve at least the second problem, satisfying those customers who thought the 5 Series is too demanding in terms of size and price of purchase. Also could be an additional weapon against competitors such as the Alfa Romeo Giulietta audio 80 (available in both two-door and four-door, but sold mainly in the latter configuration).
Many times the press of the time ventured the rumor according to which the study would have been a body with two more branches in the small BMW (even someone identified as Series 4). We do not know exactly how these items were well founded, surely there is a press release issued by the House in the spring of 1979, which is definitely disproved the rumors about new versions of 3 Series Touring 3-door and 4-door sedan.
It is BMW is likely to be asked about business opportunities that would open a wider range and has decided to allocate the financial resources to the development of the new generation of cars and increase production to meet a rising demand. The idea had, however, its validity, so that was implemented with the E30 3 Series, available soon at both two and four doors.
For fun we tried to reconstruct the appearance of a hypothetical four-door 3 Series E21. Again, we assumed two solutions: the first is inspired by the E12 5 Series and provides the frames of the windows completely chromed.

This solution is valid on the car bigger, it takes a little 'boost to the lean side of the 3 Series and, probably, would be a little' "heavy" with dark colors. We then tried to "blacken" the pillar and the profile of the rear door of the glass partition, as on the E23 7 Series, 5 Series E28 and E30 3 Series.

The result is more satisfactory, because it speeds up a little 'the car, that continues to seem longer than the original model. That in the end is always the best: an example of design seventies and achieved great commercial success with only one body style!

Sunday, July 10, 2011

Two E21 Baurs at Connecticut Valley Chapter Show and Shine July 10, 2011

See also:  http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=6545219794402951275#editor/target=post;postID=6348012823426068450

Wickham Park, Manchester, CT July 10, 2011   BMW CCA Connecticut Valley Chapter Bring More Wax (BMW) Show and Shine Event.  It is worth noting that having two E21 Baurs together at an event is relatively rare occurrence here in the US. Current estimates indicate that there are possibly a total of 50-100 E21 Baurs in the entire US. The two Baurs shown in the pics below are, at this writing, the ONLY two known E21 Baurs in the New England region, an area comprising 6 different states (Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont)..... and millions of people!

To put this in some perspective, the recent Bimmerfest held in Pasadena CA, drew upwards of 1,000 BMWs. There were a total of 2 E21 Baurs present at that show. The Vintage BMW show in North Carolina at the end of May drew about 300 or so BMws. I dont have the exact figures. There were NO (zero, zip, nada) E21baurs present whatsoever. Bimmerfest East is scheduled for August 6, 2011 in Aberdeen, MD. At this writing there are a total of 1207 BMWs registered, but only one known E21 Baur. (Your humble correspondent, btw)
The Show and Shine in Manchester CT last Sunday had about 30 cars present, more or less. Two of those cars were E21 Baurs! So this tiny event in CT is tied with the mighty Bimmerfest of Pasadena for hosting the largest convocation of E21 Baurs this year!

Kudos to the Connecticut Valley Chapter for making this possible!

Afonso is on the left with his silver 1978 320/6;  Tom (yours truly)  is on the right, with his 1982 Lapisblau 323i Baur; the photo was taken by Adrian, another BMW enthusiast, who can be seen in photos 3 and 4 (tall gentleman in the light shirt)--- thank you Adrian!

In the pic above, you can see Afonso's Baur plate:  #48!!!  This is one of the earliest E21 Baurs.  According to Afonso, it was originally imported into Canada,and was brought into the US by a previous owner.  Afonso bought it at an estate sale about 7 years ago---- let's just say it was a STEAL!!! He has replaced the original Solex carburetor with a Weber 4 barrel;  he has repainted it himself--- very nice job---- and he is currently looking to restore the black cloth interior, which is showing some signs of wear.  Overall, it is a beautiful car and..... it only has a little over 100kms on the odometer!  I think it was 104 kms.... which is about 64,000 miles, more or less!

The Baur badge you see above is a badge he removed from the car when he repainted it.  I have never seen one of those, and if you look carefully, it was so shiny and reflective that my fingers (on my iPhone camera) show in the pic.  His dash is German, and he has the original stamped service records from day of sale.  He also has the original handbooks, including one for the Baur top, in the original black case.  Afonso also has the original clip/snap-on cover for the rear window!!  This is an extraordinarily original Baur!   Afonso also told me, btw, that he bought it because he likes unusual cars, and until about two years ago, he had no idea how rare this Baur really was! 

Wow, and congratulations to Afonso!  I had a great time meeting you today Afonso and spending the afternoon.  I look forward to doing it again one of these days at another show.  BTW, Afonso also owns a rare 535is which he will be bringing to the upcoming Vintage Show in Saratoga, NY.  Look for him there!
 The Patroon Chapter President (host of the Saratoga Vintage show) and his wife attended the show today---earning the prize for most miles traveled, btw.

Friday, July 8, 2011

Calling All Baurs!

I received this email today from the Newsletter editor of the Connecticut Valley Chapter, BMW CCA:

If you succeed in gathering a collection of Baur's, I would be VERY interested in shooting some photos and getting an article for the CT Valley newsletter.

Please let me know if this thing comes together."

The Connecticut show is this Sunday, July 10 in Manchester, CT. I plan to attend, and Afonso (humble apologies for misspelling your name previously), the owner of the only other known Baur in CT will also attend.

So I am putting out the call to any Baur owner, any model: 2002, E21, E30, E36, E46. Please come to Manchester CT this Sunday if you can make it. All are welcome! And we may be able to parlay this into some great publicity for ALL Baurs, and perhaps for the E21 Baurs in particular!

Even the presence of TWO Baurs would equal the largest E21 Baur convocation in the US this year! There were two at Bimmerfest in California, NO E21 Baurs at the Vintage, and my car is the only E21 Baur officially registered for Bimmerfest East (as far as I know).

I know a couple of E30 Baurs have been spotted in the CT area, and several more around New England. We also know that Lawrence Charlemagne (just over the NY border), L8apex914 (Baur #1475 Long Island), and the mystery Baur in Merrick, Long Island are all potentially in striking distance.

The weather is predicted to be great, so Baur owner or not, come on out to a great show this weekend!

Here is the link:

The Sixth Annual “Bring More Wax” (BMW) Show and Shine will be held on July 10th, 2010 at Wickham Park in Manchester, CT.

Tuesday, July 5, 2011

The E21 Peters Convertible

There were several companies doing convertible conversions to the E21, in addition to Baur.  Fa Peters of Paderborn, Germany, according Jeroen's website, apparently made about 40 examples. 
Before the conversion:.pm2
during the process:service

stiffening the body: P7050023
the finished product:
 E21-2 KopiebeiPeters_bearbeitet-1
Check out the whole album:

Nice...... but....

I found this comment from 2005.... I am not sure because the translation is so poor, but I think he is having a problem changing the center muffler, due to the apparatus that Peters installed to stiffen the frame.  Maybe that is why they didn't produce more.

Know each other by chance someone with Peters E21 convertibles?

Thread Starter
I have an E21 315 Convertible Year 1983.Ich Peters tried today to expand pre-silencer, without success! Was blocked by the "stiffening frame" the Peters under the floor pan, the thing goes neither forward nor backward raus.Die tank connected to the fender, we have also removed, but no Chance.Nach consultation with an acquaintance of with for over five years, Peters I had to learn the convertibles works he has verzweifelt.Er to the same problem and now even been expanded transmission drive shaft and still found no way to the center muffler abzubauen.Den on a piece of old could be so "by flexen" but how to get the new new items ?? times I have changed 2 years ago with a 320 / 6 Peters and medium saucepan, there was the all too easy!
For a few tips I would really appreciate.

Greetings to all friends E21"
While perusing obscure corners of the internet for info on the Peters convertible,  guess whose name I came across.... in a post from 2003!!   The ubiquitous Jeroen!!!  The guy is EVERYWHERE!!  :)   Gotta love it!  Incredible.
This post must date back to his teenage years, and before he started signing his posts "Gr Jeroen".  
Check out post #4: 

Friday, July 1, 2011

UPDATE: Going Global!!!

(This is a partial repost, to show how far Baurspotting has reached since we started in February, 2011. 74 countries, plus the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico! Antarctica is the only continent that has not reported any Baurs. YET! But we will keep trying!)

Over the course of these first few days with the blog, I have noticed a fairly widespread interest in the topic from far afield:  the blog has been viewed in its first week by people in the USA, of course, Puerto Rico and Canada....but also South Korea, The Netherlands, Belgium, Portugal, Spain, France, United Kingdom, Germany, Hungary, Czech Republic, Turkey, Norway, Denmark, Poland, Ukraine, Russia, Israel, Guatemala, Colombia, Argentina, Australia and Singapore.  We truly are a Global Village, different in so many ways, but also sharing some common interests.

3/6/2011 Update:  Add Finland, Palestinian Territories, Croatia, Belarus, Romania, Thailand.  Switzerland, South Africa. Indonesia and Chile. Algeria and Ireland.
3/20/2011: Welcome, Japan. You are in our hearts and minds in the wake of the recent tragic events there.
3/24/2011:  Serbia. 3/27/2011 India.  3/28/2011:  Austria. 4/1/2011 Costa Rica.  4/7/2011 Lebanon. 4/9/2011 China!  4/10/2011 Hello Tunisia! 4/15/2011 Egypt! 4/17/2011 Buon Giorno, Italia!!  4/18/2011 New Zealand.  Kiwis aboard!  4/21/2011 Welcome Jordan and Malaysia! 4/22/2011 Welcome Brazil! Latvia! 4/24/2011 Welcome Greece!  4/26/2011 Welcome United Arab Emirates!  4/28/2011 Welcome Botswana! Welcome Venezuela!

55 countries plus the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico.... And counting! 4/30/2011 Welcome Ecuador! 5/2/2011 Welcome Iran!  5/2/2011 Welcome Mexico, just in time for Cinco de Mayo! 5/7/2011 Welcome Lithuania!  5/10/2011 Welcome Hong Kong! 5/16/2011 Welcome Slovakia! 5/2/2011 Welcome Uruguay!  5/23/2011  Welcome Bosnia and Herzegovina!  5/27/2011 Welcome Cyprus!  5/30/2011 Welcome Taiwan!  Welcome Honduras! 6/5/2011 Welcome Iraq! 6/8/2011 Welcome Bulgaria! 6/11/2011 Welcome Moldova! Welcome Pakistan! 6/12/2011. Welcome Malta! 6/19/2011 Welcome Saudi Arabia! 6/26/2011 Welcome Nigeria! 7/1/2011 Welcome El Salvador!

7/17/2011 Welcome Latvia!  7/20/2011 Welcome Estonia! 7/26/2011 Welcome Peru! 7/27/2011 Welcome Sri Lanka! 7/30/2011 Welcome Bangladesh! 7/31/2011 Welcome Cayman Islands! 8/4/2011. Welcome Ghana!  8/11/2011 Welcome Brunei! 8/14/2011 Welcome Albania! 8/19/2011. Welcome Qatar! 8/22/2011 Welcome Slovenia! 
9/7/2011 Cool Runnings, Jamaica!  Yah, Mon!
9/12/2011 Welcome Armenia!    9/16/2011 Welcome Montenegro!  88 countries and counting!  9/25/2011 Welcome Jersey! 9/26/2011 Welcome Georgia!  9/30/2011 Welcome Netherlands Antilles!  10/14/2011 Welcome Iceland!! Site of the 1972 Fischer-Spassky World Chess Championship. 10/19/2011 Welcome Macedonia!  11/2/2011 Welcome New Caledonia!!  11/7/2011 Welcome Haiti! 11/8/2011 Welcome Kenya!!  11/16/2011 Welcome Island of Reunion! http://www.reunionisland.net/. 11/28/2011 Welcome Trinidad and Tobago! 11/28/2011 Welcome Luxembourg!

So far I have only figured out how to make a very primitive map, using push pins for locations, and attaching a brief description of each car.  I haven't figured out a way to add pics, and I am not sure that it is possible. Suggestions are welcome. 

However.... there is that wonderful International Baur Registry site, and they HAVE figured out how to post pics!!  So if you have a car that you would like to be included on the Baur map, send your info to me at my email.  If you'd like to get your car's pic posted.... send your info to the International Baur Registry, if you have not done so already.  Please note the picture format that is required for each car in the Registry:  include a pic of the Baur number plate on the left front quarter panel. 

If all of that is too much trouble, you can just send all the above information to me, and I will take care of posting both on the map, and forwarding the pics etc., to the Registry.  (I hope I don't regret making that offer.)   :)

I love having visual aids, such as Google maps;  they help give us a valuable perspective as to our relative proximity to each other, which can be very helpful, for example, when we get around to considering the possibility of some kind of get-together, or a mass showing of Baurs at some regional event.  Perhaps at Bimmerfest East, August 6, 2011 Aberdeen, MD!! I will be there! I am hoping some other Baur owners will join us, as well as other E21 owners. We have 6 registered as of today. The more the merrier!

When, and if, that does occur, I have a suggestion for promoting the Baurs as a group:  all the Baurs park together, and post an identifying sign:   WELCOME TO THE BAURY! 

Here is the link to the Google Map of Baur TC1s in the US, showing what we have found to date;

I will continue to update this map as we go along.

UPDATE: New Google map: 
BMW Baur Locations Around the World  (only one post so far.... want to add your Baur?  Email info to me.)